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		By: David Eibeck		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2022 19:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When Hell = 37 Paradise = 73

Satan = 55, Judas = 55, Judas Iscariot = 149

14 9 is day 257, the 55th prime

Day 6×6×6 and 149 day
s remain]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Hell = 37 Paradise = 73</p>
<p>Satan = 55, Judas = 55, Judas Iscariot = 149</p>
<p>14 9 is day 257, the 55th prime</p>
<p>Day 6×6×6 and 149 day<br />
s remain</p>
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		By: sumac		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/five-doves-and-many-small-dogs/#comment-217253</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sumac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2022 02:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sorrywatch.com/five-doves-and-many-small-dogs/#comment-217249&quot;&gt;Randy Bullock&lt;/a&gt;.

Randy, thank you for your comment, and for the interesting look you offer of the Five Doves history. Condolences on the death of Jim Bramlett.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sorrywatch.com/five-doves-and-many-small-dogs/#comment-217249">Randy Bullock</a>.</p>
<p>Randy, thank you for your comment, and for the interesting look you offer of the Five Doves history. Condolences on the death of Jim Bramlett.</p>
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		By: Randy Bullock		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2022 19:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Sumac,

My name is Randy Bullock.  I was one of the original Five Doves.  The site was started by and is completely the product of Tng.   The other three Doves were Jim Bramlett, Tony MacCormack and Paul Brown.  Jim, Tony, Paul and I were having a round house email discussion of a pamphlet I had written called &quot;The Appointed Times&quot; when, somehow, Tng got involved and he posted my pamphlet on a website.  The website then evolved into whatever it is now.  Somewhere along the line, someone sent Tng a drawing of five doves so Tng then named the site after the drawing.  Tng&#039;s  name is not &quot;John.&quot;  He is a Singaporean who just adopted the name John.  I do not recall ever seeing Tng&#039;s last name, and as I understood it, Tng was his first name.

Jim was a retired Army Lieutenant Colonel, Tony a man from England, and Paul a very successful businessman.   I have been somewhat successful myself, with very notable exceptions, as a businessman.   None of us knew each other prior to discussing my pamphlet, but the four of us became quite good friends and  we have kept up communication over the years, although none of us has kept much contact with Tng.  Jim did occasionally post on the Five Doves, but Tony, Paul and I were mostly absent.  In my case, I went through a series of worldly problems and did not even open the Five Doves site for many years.  Incidentally, Jim died just a few days ago.  Tony, Paul and I are all doing fine.

The pamphlet I wrote detailed several &quot;Timetables&quot; that I thought showed that the Rapture would be on May 14, 1997.  Of course, that didn&#039;t happen, and that means I was wrong.  The pamphlet had a distribution of about 30,000 and I will point out I did not charge for them.  I personally bought them and gave them all away.  Most were sent to people in Europe since Tony put some ads in papers over there and sent them to whoever asked for one.  Jim gave a lot of them away in the United States.


I appreciate what your article says.  The website now is a bunch of far right Christian extremists with  whom I greatly disagree.  Tng&#039;s long drawn out exercise of trying to prove Obama is the antichrist with his numerology is patently absurd.  And the great bulk of the emails he posts are also absurd.  And, I will add, I do not think Jim, Tony or Paul agrees with his numerology.  I remember Tng was constantly bringing his &quot;mathematics&quot; up in the five way discussion we were having and no one else seemed in much agreement.  

Earlier this year, I sent Tng an email to be posted with which he evidently took offense.  I refused to call him &quot;John&quot; and instead addressed it to &quot;Tng&quot; and I disputed the ridiculous accusations he has made against Obama.  He did not publish my email nor did he send me a personal response.

If you might want to answer me about any of this or if you would have any questions, feel free to send me an email.

Good article and great pictures!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sumac,</p>
<p>My name is Randy Bullock.  I was one of the original Five Doves.  The site was started by and is completely the product of Tng.   The other three Doves were Jim Bramlett, Tony MacCormack and Paul Brown.  Jim, Tony, Paul and I were having a round house email discussion of a pamphlet I had written called &#8220;The Appointed Times&#8221; when, somehow, Tng got involved and he posted my pamphlet on a website.  The website then evolved into whatever it is now.  Somewhere along the line, someone sent Tng a drawing of five doves so Tng then named the site after the drawing.  Tng&#8217;s  name is not &#8220;John.&#8221;  He is a Singaporean who just adopted the name John.  I do not recall ever seeing Tng&#8217;s last name, and as I understood it, Tng was his first name.</p>
<p>Jim was a retired Army Lieutenant Colonel, Tony a man from England, and Paul a very successful businessman.   I have been somewhat successful myself, with very notable exceptions, as a businessman.   None of us knew each other prior to discussing my pamphlet, but the four of us became quite good friends and  we have kept up communication over the years, although none of us has kept much contact with Tng.  Jim did occasionally post on the Five Doves, but Tony, Paul and I were mostly absent.  In my case, I went through a series of worldly problems and did not even open the Five Doves site for many years.  Incidentally, Jim died just a few days ago.  Tony, Paul and I are all doing fine.</p>
<p>The pamphlet I wrote detailed several &#8220;Timetables&#8221; that I thought showed that the Rapture would be on May 14, 1997.  Of course, that didn&#8217;t happen, and that means I was wrong.  The pamphlet had a distribution of about 30,000 and I will point out I did not charge for them.  I personally bought them and gave them all away.  Most were sent to people in Europe since Tony put some ads in papers over there and sent them to whoever asked for one.  Jim gave a lot of them away in the United States.</p>
<p>I appreciate what your article says.  The website now is a bunch of far right Christian extremists with  whom I greatly disagree.  Tng&#8217;s long drawn out exercise of trying to prove Obama is the antichrist with his numerology is patently absurd.  And the great bulk of the emails he posts are also absurd.  And, I will add, I do not think Jim, Tony or Paul agrees with his numerology.  I remember Tng was constantly bringing his &#8220;mathematics&#8221; up in the five way discussion we were having and no one else seemed in much agreement.  </p>
<p>Earlier this year, I sent Tng an email to be posted with which he evidently took offense.  I refused to call him &#8220;John&#8221; and instead addressed it to &#8220;Tng&#8221; and I disputed the ridiculous accusations he has made against Obama.  He did not publish my email nor did he send me a personal response.</p>
<p>If you might want to answer me about any of this or if you would have any questions, feel free to send me an email.</p>
<p>Good article and great pictures!</p>
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		By: sumac		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/five-doves-and-many-small-dogs/#comment-215110</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sumac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Dec 2019 01:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sorrywatch.com/five-doves-and-many-small-dogs/#comment-215109&quot;&gt;Barry Amundsen&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow! Thanks for commenting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sorrywatch.com/five-doves-and-many-small-dogs/#comment-215109">Barry Amundsen</a>.</p>
<p>Wow! Thanks for commenting.</p>
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		By: Barry Amundsen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Amundsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2019 19:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sumac, this is Barry Amundsen! You posted this commentary on the Five Doves which I found quite by &quot;accident&quot; while searching for any information about the apparent disappearance of the Five Doves site from the internet which I only just discovered now too having left off being a regular follower or &quot;Dove&quot; some years back. What are the odds that I&#039;d stumble so quickly on a post that not only sums up a brief history of that website but spends  much of the article focused on me and my apologies for getting excited about a date or silly numbers that turn out to be nothing and then having to apologise for my treatment of others who didn&#039;t share my enthusiasm ...? I was just telling my wife who was the one that pointed out to me that the Doves Site was gone, how that John must have finally had enough and called it quits after so long of nothing happening after every year thinking it would be the year... Well, I just wanted to say that I consider it a privilege to be counted worthy to be placed in the same company with Noah and Lot who were regarded as nutcases in their time because they knew what was coming and tried to warn others. The Bridegroom has tarried longer than expected but will arrive suddenly just the same at some point. Nothing will ever be the same from that moment on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sumac, this is Barry Amundsen! You posted this commentary on the Five Doves which I found quite by &#8220;accident&#8221; while searching for any information about the apparent disappearance of the Five Doves site from the internet which I only just discovered now too having left off being a regular follower or &#8220;Dove&#8221; some years back. What are the odds that I&#8217;d stumble so quickly on a post that not only sums up a brief history of that website but spends  much of the article focused on me and my apologies for getting excited about a date or silly numbers that turn out to be nothing and then having to apologise for my treatment of others who didn&#8217;t share my enthusiasm &#8230;? I was just telling my wife who was the one that pointed out to me that the Doves Site was gone, how that John must have finally had enough and called it quits after so long of nothing happening after every year thinking it would be the year&#8230; Well, I just wanted to say that I consider it a privilege to be counted worthy to be placed in the same company with Noah and Lot who were regarded as nutcases in their time because they knew what was coming and tried to warn others. The Bridegroom has tarried longer than expected but will arrive suddenly just the same at some point. Nothing will ever be the same from that moment on.</p>
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		By: Gordon Smith		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/five-doves-and-many-small-dogs/#comment-206418</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2017 10:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And you are one of the many sleepers!! Yeh the bible warned us about you latter day critical nutcases.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you are one of the many sleepers!! Yeh the bible warned us about you latter day critical nutcases.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/five-doves-and-many-small-dogs/#comment-191851</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2016 17:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mainly, just don&#039;t condescend me.
Thank you.
PS  Happy New Year. I&#039;ve made it well past 11am ET.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mainly, just don&#8217;t condescend me.<br />
Thank you.<br />
PS  Happy New Year. I&#8217;ve made it well past 11am ET.</p>
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		By: tanita		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/five-doves-and-many-small-dogs/#comment-191789</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tanita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My main response is, &quot;oh, these poor people.&quot; Because, SERIOUSLY...
I&#039;m still at sea with how the number 5 in birdlife could mean anything at all about grace, but I suspect I will dip into disparaging remarks if I continue...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main response is, &#8220;oh, these poor people.&#8221; Because, SERIOUSLY&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;m still at sea with how the number 5 in birdlife could mean anything at all about grace, but I suspect I will dip into disparaging remarks if I continue&#8230;</p>
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		By: sumac		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/five-doves-and-many-small-dogs/#comment-191779</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sumac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2015 10:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sorrywatch.com/five-doves-and-many-small-dogs/#comment-191746&quot;&gt;David Doty&lt;/a&gt;.

Like so many birds, sheathbills never apologize. Ask any penguin. Thus I am forced to turn my attention elsewhere from time to time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sorrywatch.com/five-doves-and-many-small-dogs/#comment-191746">David Doty</a>.</p>
<p>Like so many birds, sheathbills never apologize. Ask any penguin. Thus I am forced to turn my attention elsewhere from time to time.</p>
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		By: David Doty		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/five-doves-and-many-small-dogs/#comment-191746</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Doty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2015 23:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How do you find time to review the writings of religious nut cases when there are sheathbills awaiting your attention?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you find time to review the writings of religious nut cases when there are sheathbills awaiting your attention?</p>
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