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		By: Matt		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/sorry-bds-was-meen-to-us-we-got-confused-by-their-bullying/#comment-185365</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2015 02:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sorrywatch.com/sorry-bds-was-meen-to-us-we-got-confused-by-their-bullying/#comment-185297&quot;&gt;Kathryn Silver&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, except for the fact that the BDS leadership accepts the rights of a non-heterogenous group of individuals (Palestinians) without a unique culture, language, religion, ancestry or history that is separate from their nearby Arab brethren  to &quot;qualify&quot; as a distinct nation-state that must be protected, while denying that same status to a group that does have a distinct culture, language, religion, ancestry and history (Jews). That&#039;s certainly &quot;principled&quot;, but it&#039;s a principle that goes against accepted norms of international law, and seems strangely exclusionary to Jews. Similarly, their principles of non-violence don&#039;t seem to extend to boycotting, divesting or sanctioning the bus bombers and missile launchers of Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad, or their numerous state supporters, leading one to believe that their &quot;principles&quot; are lacking a certain, ahem, integrity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sorrywatch.com/sorry-bds-was-meen-to-us-we-got-confused-by-their-bullying/#comment-185297">Kathryn Silver</a>.</p>
<p>Well, except for the fact that the BDS leadership accepts the rights of a non-heterogenous group of individuals (Palestinians) without a unique culture, language, religion, ancestry or history that is separate from their nearby Arab brethren  to &#8220;qualify&#8221; as a distinct nation-state that must be protected, while denying that same status to a group that does have a distinct culture, language, religion, ancestry and history (Jews). That&#8217;s certainly &#8220;principled&#8221;, but it&#8217;s a principle that goes against accepted norms of international law, and seems strangely exclusionary to Jews. Similarly, their principles of non-violence don&#8217;t seem to extend to boycotting, divesting or sanctioning the bus bombers and missile launchers of Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad, or their numerous state supporters, leading one to believe that their &#8220;principles&#8221; are lacking a certain, ahem, integrity.</p>
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		By: Kathryn Silver		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathryn Silver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2015 14:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, here&#039;s my take on the subject. I have followed BDS for many years and continue to be impressed by their principled positions in support of Palestinian rights, by their strategy of non-violence and their approach of pressuring Israel to end the occupation. As you may be aware, a growing number of Jews support BDS because they believe Israel’s illegal occupation and settlement building on Palestinian land are wrong and are the main impediments to peace. Thousands of academics have signed onto BDS as well. I have not seen any statements, analyses or articles by the BDS movement of an anti-Semitic nature. That said, any movement that comprises hundreds of thousands of people worldwide are bound to have some adherents who are bigots, racists, misogynists, homophobes, and general idiots – including anti-Semites. However, I have not seen any indication that the BDS leadership, positions and overall approach promote any of these ideologies. I do understand that the BDS movement makes a lot of people uncomfortable precisely because it puts pressure on Israel to change its policies. I would submit that without such change the future for both Israelis and Palestinians is bleak indeed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here&#8217;s my take on the subject. I have followed BDS for many years and continue to be impressed by their principled positions in support of Palestinian rights, by their strategy of non-violence and their approach of pressuring Israel to end the occupation. As you may be aware, a growing number of Jews support BDS because they believe Israel’s illegal occupation and settlement building on Palestinian land are wrong and are the main impediments to peace. Thousands of academics have signed onto BDS as well. I have not seen any statements, analyses or articles by the BDS movement of an anti-Semitic nature. That said, any movement that comprises hundreds of thousands of people worldwide are bound to have some adherents who are bigots, racists, misogynists, homophobes, and general idiots – including anti-Semites. However, I have not seen any indication that the BDS leadership, positions and overall approach promote any of these ideologies. I do understand that the BDS movement makes a lot of people uncomfortable precisely because it puts pressure on Israel to change its policies. I would submit that without such change the future for both Israelis and Palestinians is bleak indeed.</p>
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		By: snarly		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/sorry-bds-was-meen-to-us-we-got-confused-by-their-bullying/#comment-185264</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[snarly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2015 20:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sorrywatch.com/sorry-bds-was-meen-to-us-we-got-confused-by-their-bullying/#comment-185263&quot;&gt;Kathryn Silver&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for your comment! I hear what you&#039;re saying. I was looking for a single article that rounded up anti-Semitic statements by BDS activists, since I can&#039;t link to individual statements from one phrase in the texts. I wanted to use a piece that acknowledged that while BDS&#039;s aims are often shared by liberals of all stripes, BDS activists in actual practice have made statements and behaved in ways that can legitimately be deemed anti-Semitic. There are other organizations that believe in a two-state solution and in Israel&#039;s need to respect human rights -- such as the New Israel Fund and Peace Now -- that haven&#039;t also displayed frequent anti-Semitism. (If you have another link you&#039;d like me to use that collects anti-Semitic statements by BDSers, I&#039;m open to using it!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sorrywatch.com/sorry-bds-was-meen-to-us-we-got-confused-by-their-bullying/#comment-185263">Kathryn Silver</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment! I hear what you&#8217;re saying. I was looking for a single article that rounded up anti-Semitic statements by BDS activists, since I can&#8217;t link to individual statements from one phrase in the texts. I wanted to use a piece that acknowledged that while BDS&#8217;s aims are often shared by liberals of all stripes, BDS activists in actual practice have made statements and behaved in ways that can legitimately be deemed anti-Semitic. There are other organizations that believe in a two-state solution and in Israel&#8217;s need to respect human rights &#8212; such as the New Israel Fund and Peace Now &#8212; that haven&#8217;t also displayed frequent anti-Semitism. (If you have another link you&#8217;d like me to use that collects anti-Semitic statements by BDSers, I&#8217;m open to using it!)</p>
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		By: Kathryn Silver		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/sorry-bds-was-meen-to-us-we-got-confused-by-their-bullying/#comment-185263</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathryn Silver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2015 19:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I enjoy Matisyahu&#039;s music and I think it was ridiculous for organizers of Rototom to pressure him to endorse a Palestinian state before he would be allowed to perform. Your analysis of their spineless apology was -- no surprise -- good and entertaining. That said, I was disappointed by the following proposed language for an appropriate apology: &quot;We should not have caved to BDS [which has repeatedly invoked anti-Semitic tropes and equated “Israel” with “Jews”].&quot; This statement directs the reader to a link presumably intended to back up this claim, which, to my surprise was a review of a book which challenges the legitimacy of the BDS movement. Here are my issues: 1) As journalists of conscience, which I believe both you and Susan are, it would have seemed more appropriate and enlightening to direct your readers to statements made by BDS activists themselves which would back up your claim that they &quot;repeatedly invoke anti-Semitic tropes.&quot; 2) Even if you hate BDS and all they stand for, this reader would have appreciated at least an acknowledgement that BDS promotes non-violent, civil-disobedience-style protest to pressure Israel to comply with international law regarding their treatment of Palestinians. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, great blog!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy Matisyahu&#8217;s music and I think it was ridiculous for organizers of Rototom to pressure him to endorse a Palestinian state before he would be allowed to perform. Your analysis of their spineless apology was &#8212; no surprise &#8212; good and entertaining. That said, I was disappointed by the following proposed language for an appropriate apology: &#8220;We should not have caved to BDS [which has repeatedly invoked anti-Semitic tropes and equated “Israel” with “Jews”].&#8221; This statement directs the reader to a link presumably intended to back up this claim, which, to my surprise was a review of a book which challenges the legitimacy of the BDS movement. Here are my issues: 1) As journalists of conscience, which I believe both you and Susan are, it would have seemed more appropriate and enlightening to direct your readers to statements made by BDS activists themselves which would back up your claim that they &#8220;repeatedly invoke anti-Semitic tropes.&#8221; 2) Even if you hate BDS and all they stand for, this reader would have appreciated at least an acknowledgement that BDS promotes non-violent, civil-disobedience-style protest to pressure Israel to comply with international law regarding their treatment of Palestinians. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, great blog!</p>
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		By: Reb Zisha		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reb Zisha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2015 04:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not an apology.  On top of it, an affront to a central theme of spiritual reggae, i.e. the return to Zion.  &quot;...it was perceived that the normal functioning of the festival could be threatened.&quot;  Were there threats?  Call the policia. Alert your security.  Don&#039;t blame a Jew.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not an apology.  On top of it, an affront to a central theme of spiritual reggae, i.e. the return to Zion.  &#8220;&#8230;it was perceived that the normal functioning of the festival could be threatened.&#8221;  Were there threats?  Call the policia. Alert your security.  Don&#8217;t blame a Jew.</p>
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		By: snarly		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/sorry-bds-was-meen-to-us-we-got-confused-by-their-bullying/#comment-185064</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[snarly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[2 is good, in that it is simple and factual and names the sin. 3 is very not-good in that it does not take responsibility at all -- it blames BDS. And it&#039;s dismaying as a lead-up to paragraph 4: you can&#039;t &quot;reaffirm&quot; your commitment to &quot;respect between cultures&quot; if you&#039;ve failed to affirm it yesterday (and blamed someone else for your failings today).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 is good, in that it is simple and factual and names the sin. 3 is very not-good in that it does not take responsibility at all &#8212; it blames BDS. And it&#8217;s dismaying as a lead-up to paragraph 4: you can&#8217;t &#8220;reaffirm&#8221; your commitment to &#8220;respect between cultures&#8221; if you&#8217;ve failed to affirm it yesterday (and blamed someone else for your failings today).</p>
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		By: J. J.		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/sorry-bds-was-meen-to-us-we-got-confused-by-their-bullying/#comment-185063</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well done. And point 4 of their initial press release really does say it all about what they really think. Backtracking doesn&#039;t &quot;rectify,&quot; let alone erase, it.

On the other hand, as apologies go, paragraphs 2 and 3 are pretty good, aren&#039;t they? Saying flat out, &quot;we apologize,&quot; rather than the usual ambivalent stuff; trying to undo the harm they&#039;ve done to the victim by renewing the invitation; and saying, again flat out, &quot;we made a mistake,&quot; rather than something like &quot;we&#039;re sorry if anyone was offended.&quot;

The problem, as you point out very, very well, is in their original actions—but that&#039;s what makes an apology necessary to begin with—and, especially, in the way that their original actions and their inconsistency in (not) dealing with the Canadian homophobe, make you suspect the apology isn&#039;t sincere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done. And point 4 of their initial press release really does say it all about what they really think. Backtracking doesn&#8217;t &#8220;rectify,&#8221; let alone erase, it.</p>
<p>On the other hand, as apologies go, paragraphs 2 and 3 are pretty good, aren&#8217;t they? Saying flat out, &#8220;we apologize,&#8221; rather than the usual ambivalent stuff; trying to undo the harm they&#8217;ve done to the victim by renewing the invitation; and saying, again flat out, &#8220;we made a mistake,&#8221; rather than something like &#8220;we&#8217;re sorry if anyone was offended.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem, as you point out very, very well, is in their original actions—but that&#8217;s what makes an apology necessary to begin with—and, especially, in the way that their original actions and their inconsistency in (not) dealing with the Canadian homophobe, make you suspect the apology isn&#8217;t sincere.</p>
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		By: tanita		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tanita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2015 21:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow... &lt;i&gt;wow&lt;/i&gt;. That last image just... kind of hits you over the head with a rock.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; <i>wow</i>. That last image just&#8230; kind of hits you over the head with a rock.</p>
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