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		By: The Vermian Underhanded Daily Beast and Nico &#124; SorryWatch		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/try-again-daily-beast/#comment-207390</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Vermian Underhanded Daily Beast and Nico &#124; SorryWatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2017 05:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] defensive, self-aggrandizing responses to criticism of Nico Hines&#8217;s &#8220;story&#8221; about pretending to be gay to pick up Olympic athletes on Grindr during the 2016 Summer Games. Hines offered enough teasing detail about the athletes &#8212; some [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] defensive, self-aggrandizing responses to criticism of Nico Hines&#8217;s &#8220;story&#8221; about pretending to be gay to pick up Olympic athletes on Grindr during the 2016 Summer Games. Hines offered enough teasing detail about the athletes &#8212; some [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Peter Thiel Is Wrong About The Daily Beast’s Outing ‘Apology’		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/try-again-daily-beast/#comment-203683</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Thiel Is Wrong About The Daily Beast’s Outing ‘Apology’]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2016 00:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] folks at &#8220;Sorry Watch&#8221; blog know a thing or two about this stuff of apologies and wrote a great analysis. They award this attempt &#8220;Olympic bad-apology gold, Daily Beast.&#8221; It [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] folks at &#8220;Sorry Watch&#8221; blog know a thing or two about this stuff of apologies and wrote a great analysis. They award this attempt &#8220;Olympic bad-apology gold, Daily Beast.&#8221; It [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Daily Beast, please take an apology class with Autostraddle &#124; SorryWatch		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/try-again-daily-beast/#comment-201536</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daily Beast, please take an apology class with Autostraddle &#124; SorryWatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2016 03:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Daily Beast! We of the Internetz have short memories. Yet we of SorryWatch would like everyone to NEVER [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: snarly		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/try-again-daily-beast/#comment-201500</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sorrywatch.com/try-again-daily-beast/#comment-201391&quot;&gt;Ernie in Berkeley&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you so much, Ernie, for your diligent digging on this. There was an editors note before the piece was taken down, and another afterward. I&#039;m still unclear on how the former was edited (except that it was signed by editor John Avlon, whose name was removed from the note after the piece was taken down). The LGBTQ web site &lt;a href=&quot;http://i1.wp.com/www.towleroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/After-Note.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Towleroad&lt;/a&gt; has screenshots of the changes in the post-takedown note 1. Originally the words &quot;apology&quot; and &quot;sorry&quot; were not used. 2. Originally there was no mention of athletes being harmed. 3. As you noted, the flippant &quot;we screwed up&quot; became the more sober &quot;we were wrong.&quot; Bad all around.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sorrywatch.com/try-again-daily-beast/#comment-201391">Ernie in Berkeley</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you so much, Ernie, for your diligent digging on this. There was an editors note before the piece was taken down, and another afterward. I&#8217;m still unclear on how the former was edited (except that it was signed by editor John Avlon, whose name was removed from the note after the piece was taken down). The LGBTQ web site <a href="http://i1.wp.com/www.towleroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/After-Note.png" rel="nofollow">Towleroad</a> has screenshots of the changes in the post-takedown note 1. Originally the words &#8220;apology&#8221; and &#8220;sorry&#8221; were not used. 2. Originally there was no mention of athletes being harmed. 3. As you noted, the flippant &#8220;we screwed up&#8221; became the more sober &#8220;we were wrong.&#8221; Bad all around.</p>
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		By: snarly		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/try-again-daily-beast/#comment-201499</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sorrywatch.com/try-again-daily-beast/#comment-201417&quot;&gt;Frankster&lt;/a&gt;.

This is indeed a rant! 

But I&#039;m confused about what you&#039;re angry at. I&#039;m not saying writers should never refer to someone&#039;s sexual identity (a better word than &quot;preference,&quot; btw, which makes it sound like a core element of someone&#039;s selfhood is a mere whim). There are times when it&#039;s relevant. This is NOT one of those times. There was no reason for this story to exist. The reason I didn&#039;t link to the text of the original story -- which is preserved in the amber that is the Internet, of course -- is that I do NOT want those athletes harmed further. I see from your email that English may not be your native language, so perhaps I misunderstand what infuriated you? Feel free to clarify. Thanks for commenting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sorrywatch.com/try-again-daily-beast/#comment-201417">Frankster</a>.</p>
<p>This is indeed a rant! </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m confused about what you&#8217;re angry at. I&#8217;m not saying writers should never refer to someone&#8217;s sexual identity (a better word than &#8220;preference,&#8221; btw, which makes it sound like a core element of someone&#8217;s selfhood is a mere whim). There are times when it&#8217;s relevant. This is NOT one of those times. There was no reason for this story to exist. The reason I didn&#8217;t link to the text of the original story &#8212; which is preserved in the amber that is the Internet, of course &#8212; is that I do NOT want those athletes harmed further. I see from your email that English may not be your native language, so perhaps I misunderstand what infuriated you? Feel free to clarify. Thanks for commenting.</p>
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		By: Peter Thiel Is Wrong About The Daily Beast&#039;s Outing &#039;Apology&#039; - Towleroad		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/try-again-daily-beast/#comment-201496</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Thiel Is Wrong About The Daily Beast&#039;s Outing &#039;Apology&#039; - Towleroad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] folks at &#8220;Sorry Watch&#8221; blog know a thing or two about this stuff of apologies and wrote a great analysis. They award this attempt &#8220;Olympic bad-apology gold, Daily Beast.&#8221; It [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] folks at &#8220;Sorry Watch&#8221; blog know a thing or two about this stuff of apologies and wrote a great analysis. They award this attempt &#8220;Olympic bad-apology gold, Daily Beast.&#8221; It [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: This booger-related apology is better than The Daily Beast&#8217;s Olympic apology &#124; SorryWatch		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/try-again-daily-beast/#comment-201446</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[This booger-related apology is better than The Daily Beast&#8217;s Olympic apology &#124; SorryWatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Why Riley&#8217;s Apology Note Is Better Than The Daily Beast&#8217;s Apology Note:  [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Why Riley&#8217;s Apology Note Is Better Than The Daily Beast&#8217;s Apology Note:  [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Alicia		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/try-again-daily-beast/#comment-201444</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alicia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I still remember suggestions that athletes shouldn&#039;t compete if Greg Louganis had used the pool. It&#039;s not just officially homophobic countries where athletes can lose their livelihoods, although I hope a lot of countries have come a long way since then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still remember suggestions that athletes shouldn&#8217;t compete if Greg Louganis had used the pool. It&#8217;s not just officially homophobic countries where athletes can lose their livelihoods, although I hope a lot of countries have come a long way since then.</p>
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		By: artlife		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/try-again-daily-beast/#comment-201433</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[artlife]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2016 17:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[excellent piece, and i was particularly delighted by this: &quot;perfidious schmucks&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent piece, and i was particularly delighted by this: &#8220;perfidious schmucks&#8221;</p>
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		By: Frankster		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/try-again-daily-beast/#comment-201417</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This writing is a rant. So you are saying journalists should never refer to someone&#039;s sexual preference? I&#039;m sorry, but this has been changing for the past half century and your preferred closet is less religiously maintained than it once was. And you want The Daily Beast to make even more readers everywhere of the names that were either not given or hinted at? You are equally as sick as the original writing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This writing is a rant. So you are saying journalists should never refer to someone&#8217;s sexual preference? I&#8217;m sorry, but this has been changing for the past half century and your preferred closet is less religiously maintained than it once was. And you want The Daily Beast to make even more readers everywhere of the names that were either not given or hinted at? You are equally as sick as the original writing.</p>
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