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		By: Sumac		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181801</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sumac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2015 20:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whoops. &quot;Rueful&quot; above is me.

I&#039;ll add that the reason the balcony collapsed does not seem to have been that there were more people on it than it was designed for, but because shoddy workmanship allowed the support beams to rot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops. &#8220;Rueful&#8221; above is me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add that the reason the balcony collapsed does not seem to have been that there were more people on it than it was designed for, but because shoddy workmanship allowed the support beams to rot.</p>
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		By: Rueful		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2015 20:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Arstad, you&#039;re right. I was being silly with the slippery slope argument. Though here in California every public garage has to display a warning sign that reads &quot;This Area Contains Chemicals Known To The State Of California To Cause Cancer And Birth Defects Or Other Reproductive Harm.&quot; You see why I&#039;m suspicious....

I think you&#039;re also right about the value of a sign saying how much weight a balcony can bear. But I still think balconies need to be designed to support the weight of the number of people who might reasonably stand on it/crowd onto it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arstad, you&#8217;re right. I was being silly with the slippery slope argument. Though here in California every public garage has to display a warning sign that reads &#8220;This Area Contains Chemicals Known To The State Of California To Cause Cancer And Birth Defects Or Other Reproductive Harm.&#8221; You see why I&#8217;m suspicious&#8230;.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re also right about the value of a sign saying how much weight a balcony can bear. But I still think balconies need to be designed to support the weight of the number of people who might reasonably stand on it/crowd onto it.</p>
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		By: Arstad		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181783</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arstad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2015 15:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181730&quot;&gt;sumac&lt;/a&gt;.

The slippery slope argument hardly seems appropriate here. I would wager that the overwhelming majority of grown adults who are, in the eyes of the law, able to be held fully responsible for their own decisions are well aware that metal does not belong in microwaves. I would bet that nearly every adult of sound mind can recognize bomb-making as an inherently dangerous activity.

I would also bet that only a tiny fraction of adults who are decided to be legally responsible for their own actions could estimate the structural limits of a balcony just by looking at it. As such, it makes perfect sense to inform them. Whether they heed that information is entirely their decision- as I&#039;ve mentioned, in the eyes of the law they are responsible for their own decisions- but that information should at least be made available.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181730">sumac</a>.</p>
<p>The slippery slope argument hardly seems appropriate here. I would wager that the overwhelming majority of grown adults who are, in the eyes of the law, able to be held fully responsible for their own decisions are well aware that metal does not belong in microwaves. I would bet that nearly every adult of sound mind can recognize bomb-making as an inherently dangerous activity.</p>
<p>I would also bet that only a tiny fraction of adults who are decided to be legally responsible for their own actions could estimate the structural limits of a balcony just by looking at it. As such, it makes perfect sense to inform them. Whether they heed that information is entirely their decision- as I&#8217;ve mentioned, in the eyes of the law they are responsible for their own decisions- but that information should at least be made available.</p>
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		By: sumac		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181730</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sumac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2015 17:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181726&quot;&gt;Beth H&lt;/a&gt;.

Alas, I think that if you make a cool place to stand and look and wave, people will stand there. Often they won&#039;t pay attention to/notice signs. I think that&#039;s what&#039;s called an &quot;attractive nuisance.&quot;

Also, I fear that if you put notices in apartments saying &quot;No more than 3 people/600 lbs allowed on balcony, whichever is the lesser&quot; you will soon find yourself adding signs that say &quot;No metal in the microwave&quot; &quot;Do not leave the kitchen when something is cooking on the stove&quot; &quot;Do not leave children unattended&quot; and &quot;No bomb assembly permitted&quot; and soon there will be lots and lots of signs to read, which everyone will ignore.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181726">Beth H</a>.</p>
<p>Alas, I think that if you make a cool place to stand and look and wave, people will stand there. Often they won&#8217;t pay attention to/notice signs. I think that&#8217;s what&#8217;s called an &#8220;attractive nuisance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, I fear that if you put notices in apartments saying &#8220;No more than 3 people/600 lbs allowed on balcony, whichever is the lesser&#8221; you will soon find yourself adding signs that say &#8220;No metal in the microwave&#8221; &#8220;Do not leave the kitchen when something is cooking on the stove&#8221; &#8220;Do not leave children unattended&#8221; and &#8220;No bomb assembly permitted&#8221; and soon there will be lots and lots of signs to read, which everyone will ignore.</p>
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		By: Beth H		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181726</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181051&quot;&gt;sumac&lt;/a&gt;.

I am on board entirely with your story but this comment: not so much. That logic makes no sense to me. You are asking why the balcony was big enough for 13 people, and shouldn&#039;t have been. Does that mean that a balcony meant for one person should only be the width of one person? Lots of people can squeeze into a small car / space / booth: more than probably should. A clear notice inside each apartment indicating maximum weight that balcony could hold should have existed, in addition to the balcony actually having been up to code.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181051">sumac</a>.</p>
<p>I am on board entirely with your story but this comment: not so much. That logic makes no sense to me. You are asking why the balcony was big enough for 13 people, and shouldn&#8217;t have been. Does that mean that a balcony meant for one person should only be the width of one person? Lots of people can squeeze into a small car / space / booth: more than probably should. A clear notice inside each apartment indicating maximum weight that balcony could hold should have existed, in addition to the balcony actually having been up to code.</p>
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		By: Jack		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181115</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2015 13:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a fairly new building and should not be falling apart.  I am embarrassed that American capitalism killed those kids.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a fairly new building and should not be falling apart.  I am embarrassed that American capitalism killed those kids.</p>
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		By: sumac		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181051</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sumac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2015 22:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181046&quot;&gt;tanita&lt;/a&gt;.

Good point. But the real question then is &quot;If the balcony wasn&#039;t meant to hold that many people, why was it big enough for them?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181046">tanita</a>.</p>
<p>Good point. But the real question then is &#8220;If the balcony wasn&#8217;t meant to hold that many people, why was it big enough for them?&#8221;</p>
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		By: tanita		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2015 21:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, that is really sad. 
I read another paper that remarked -- perhaps not in the first piece in that paper on the accident -- that the balcony wasn&#039;t meant for thirteen people to stand on it, and I found &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; inappropriate -- but did realize that they&#039;d gotten past the point of, &quot;Oh, no!&quot; to the inevitable journalistic, &quot;Now, how did this happen!?&quot; which is followed immediately by blame.

It&#039;s still just dreadful, on all accounts, and I&#039;m sorry that the NYT tried looking for a bigger story than the loss of six people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, that is really sad.<br />
I read another paper that remarked &#8212; perhaps not in the first piece in that paper on the accident &#8212; that the balcony wasn&#8217;t meant for thirteen people to stand on it, and I found <i>that</i> inappropriate &#8212; but did realize that they&#8217;d gotten past the point of, &#8220;Oh, no!&#8221; to the inevitable journalistic, &#8220;Now, how did this happen!?&#8221; which is followed immediately by blame.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still just dreadful, on all accounts, and I&#8217;m sorry that the NYT tried looking for a bigger story than the loss of six people.</p>
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		By: Andrea		</title>
		<link>https://sorrywatch.com/victim-shaming-reader-blaming/#comment-181044</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2015 21:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One can imagine the howls of outrage from the Times had some other ethnic or racial group been subjected to this kind of backward stereotyping by any other prominent media outlet. Shame on the Times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can imagine the howls of outrage from the Times had some other ethnic or racial group been subjected to this kind of backward stereotyping by any other prominent media outlet. Shame on the Times.</p>
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		By: Lisa Hirsch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa Hirsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[$6 million, eh? I expect and hope that 1) they will be put out of business by the payouts for this 2) they will go to jail for negligent homicide or manslaughter.

And, great post, Sumac.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$6 million, eh? I expect and hope that 1) they will be put out of business by the payouts for this 2) they will go to jail for negligent homicide or manslaughter.</p>
<p>And, great post, Sumac.</p>
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